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#628: "Hand size is updated before player's move is revealed"
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Error de visualización: cierta información del juego se mostraba erróneamente (sin repercusiones importantes en el juego)
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I have noticed that the player's hand size is updated before his move is revealed. For example, in the last move of the game I reported above, if you watch from my point of view, my opponent's hand size is updated to zero BEFORE it is revealed that he is settling the Desert Alien Library planet. This has confounded me in many games and I lost some of them because of this bug.
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22 Apr 2014 15:27 • fameros • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
I have seen it happening many times now, systematically.
27 Sep 2016 16:28 • galehar • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
This is an information leak and can indeed be confusing. Also, paying for cards should happen after the played cards are revealed.
21 Oct 2016 14:47 • demiurgsage • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
Yes, I see this bug in every turn based game.
12 Nov 2016 12:56 • galehar • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
The score is also updated before the card is revealed, which is further information leak.
10 Sep 2017 17:55 • gentil • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
Absolutely agree, and in many games it has a big impact on play decisions ; military force is revealed as well
24 Jul 2018 11:27 • SPLAT • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
This is an important bug to me and should be fixed. It can really change your decision, specially in the final round and this information should be hidden, not revealed. Not it benefits the 'slower' player and something like that should never be the case.
11 Aug 2018 12:33 • irakun • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
Same as others said. Military, hand size and points are updated before the played card is revealed, thus it benefits the last player that chooses what to do...
25 Dec 2018 02:44 • Nerou • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
With expansions also progress on goals is updated immediately. It seems that after refreshing a page values are pulled from latest state and not state at the beginning of a round.
en.1.boardgamearena.com/raceforthegalaxy?table=46505215 Just now I choose world to settle and it shows I have 3 cards played with explore power, but my 3rd card with explore power wasn't yet revealed to my opponents.
en.1.boardgamearena.com/raceforthegalaxy?table=46505215 Just now I choose world to settle and it shows I have 3 cards played with explore power, but my 3rd card with explore power wasn't yet revealed to my opponents.
8 Oct 2020 18:24 • LumpySpring • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
As others have said. Updating points etc before all players have chosen is (on occasion) game breaking. I'm surprised this is not higher up the priority list...
Screenshots of this in action (before and after the reveal): imgur.com/a/hvs77PE
Screenshots of this in action (before and after the reveal): imgur.com/a/hvs77PE
18 Dec 2020 22:15 • Limdy • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
I have same issue: You can see the updated victory points before cards are revealed. So you know that your opponent will play a high or low card and can change your decision.
19 Dec 2020 10:10 • Echsecutor • Los desarrolladores aún no han podido reproducir el error:
reproduced (firefox)
20 Jan 2021 16:33 • galehar • El error ha sido confirmado por los desarrolladores:
I plan to work on this at some point.
20 Jan 2021 16:33 • galehar • El error ha sido confirmado por los desarrolladores:
I plan to work on this at some point.
26 Jan 2021 13:10 • Phoxtrot • El error ha sido confirmado por los desarrolladores:
I don't think that delaying payment of the card is good, it would further slow the game and figuring out if someone can pay when there are multiple special cards around that can be used to reduce the cost if you discard some other cards would be error prone.
But yeah, essentially we need a temporary player specific context so that the actions of a player are done within a context and visible only to him/her until everyone has completed the sub-phase
The trick is that some simultaneous actions are impacting one another since you don't want multiple players to draw the same cards.
Another problem is the objectives tiles, for the sake of simplicity, players should not see the impact of their actions on them since this can be impacted by what other players are doing. At least for the 5 points objectives.
And takeovers are hard to tackle. They should be prepared simultaneously and as players end the colonization sub-phase they get resolved one by one (but all the impacts of newly played worlds or discarded developments has to be ignored). Though nut...
I think that the rules about which players have to draw first and all that is pretty much irrelevant and can be ignored. It might have an impact if you want to draw your cards after a reshuffle of the deck rather than before and vice-versa but that is very marginal especially if nobody knows if we are about the shuffle or not...
But yeah, essentially we need a temporary player specific context so that the actions of a player are done within a context and visible only to him/her until everyone has completed the sub-phase
The trick is that some simultaneous actions are impacting one another since you don't want multiple players to draw the same cards.
Another problem is the objectives tiles, for the sake of simplicity, players should not see the impact of their actions on them since this can be impacted by what other players are doing. At least for the 5 points objectives.
And takeovers are hard to tackle. They should be prepared simultaneously and as players end the colonization sub-phase they get resolved one by one (but all the impacts of newly played worlds or discarded developments has to be ignored). Though nut...
I think that the rules about which players have to draw first and all that is pretty much irrelevant and can be ignored. It might have an impact if you want to draw your cards after a reshuffle of the deck rather than before and vice-versa but that is very marginal especially if nobody knows if we are about the shuffle or not...
26 Jan 2021 13:11 • Phoxtrot • El error ha sido confirmado por los desarrolladores:
update: even the 3 points objectives might be impacted by what other players are doing if there are takeovers involved.
8 Jun 2021 01:19 • Phelan • El error ha sido confirmado por los desarrolladores:
This seems related to this bug: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=9497
9 Aug 2022 17:44 • Phoxtrot • El error ha sido confirmado por los desarrolladores:
We still have many small timing problems with information. Some solved by a F5 but more are actually created by a refresh.
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