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#107708: "In tournament games, expelling a player who is out of time should be a unanimous decision"
#107708: "In tournament games, expelling a player who is out of time should be a unanimous decision"
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There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• Por favor, explica lo que querías hacer, lo que hiciste y lo que pasó
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There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Está este texto disponible en el sistema de traducción? Si es así, ¿ha sido traducido hace más de 24 horas?
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• Por favor explica tu sugerencia de manera precisa y concisa para que sea lo más fácil posible entender lo que quieres decir.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Qué navegador estás usando?
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• ¿Qué había en la pantalla cuando se quedó bloqueado? (¿mensaje de error?, ¿pantalla en blanco?, ¿una parte de la interfaz del juego?)
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Qué navegador estás usando?
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• ¿Qué parte de las reglas no se ha respetado en la adaptación de BGA?
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿La infracción de las reglas es visible en la repetición de la partida? Si es así, ¿en qué jugada?
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• ¿Qué acción de juego querías realizar?
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Qué es lo que trataste de hacer para activar esta acción del juego?
• ¿Qué sucedió cuando lo hiciste (el mensaje de error, mensaje en la barra de estado del juego, ...)?
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• ¿En qué etapa de la partida ocurrió el problema? ¿Cuál era la instrucción actual del juego?
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Qué sucedió cuando trataste de hacer una acción de juego (mensaje de error, mensaje en la barra de estado del juego, ...)?
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There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Qué navegador estás usando?
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• Por favor, copia/pega el texto mostrado en inglés en lugar de en tu idioma. Si tienes una captura de este error (buena práctica), puedes usar Imgur.com para subirla y copiar/pegar el enlace aquí.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Está este texto disponible en el sistema de traducción? Si es así, ¿ha sido traducido hace más de 24 horas?
• ¿Qué navegador estás usando?
not relevant
• Por favor explica tu sugerencia de manera precisa y concisa para que sea lo más fácil posible entender lo que quieres decir.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• ¿Qué navegador estás usando?
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18 dic 2023 6:34 • Mathew5000 • Esta sugerencia aún no ha sido analizada por los desarrolladores:
In my view, this solution is preferable to the proposals in the following suggestions which address the same problem:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35239 #35239 (booting an overtime player should be a majority decision)
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35289 #35289 (booting an overtime player should not be permitted at all in multiplayer tournament games)
I do think that either of those suggestions would be preferable to the status quo, however.
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35239 #35239 (booting an overtime player should be a majority decision)
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35289 #35289 (booting an overtime player should not be permitted at all in multiplayer tournament games)
I do think that either of those suggestions would be preferable to the status quo, however.
18 dic 2023 20:15 • mrdoctor • Esta sugerencia aún no ha sido analizada por los desarrolladores:
100% agree - have often seen situations where 2 players are in the red on time in a tournament, and one of the 2 players in the red has kicked out the other to make sure it's not them who've been kicked out.
Likewise, plenty of situations where people kick out a player out-of-time if it looks like they're about to lose, but they know that by kicking someone else out that can scam themselves a win.
Likewise, plenty of situations where people kick out a player out-of-time if it looks like they're about to lose, but they know that by kicking someone else out that can scam themselves a win.
22 nov 2024 21:08 • BananaHarambe • Esta sugerencia aún no ha sido analizada por los desarrolladores:
agreed on this as a simple common sense feature for tournaments.
Since the feature needs to be universal I think this works fine in every common scenario in 3/4 player games. The effects of a skipped game vary based on tournament type so leave it up to the players to decide if skipping is optimal for them. This allows players to expel players to speed up tournaments, which makes it better than completely disabling the skip player button for tournaments.
Tournament integrity would rarely be affected because the skip is unanimous. The worst case is that players can use it to intentionally draw against remaining players, but these are 3+ player tournaments which are generally casual anyways.
Since the feature needs to be universal I think this works fine in every common scenario in 3/4 player games. The effects of a skipped game vary based on tournament type so leave it up to the players to decide if skipping is optimal for them. This allows players to expel players to speed up tournaments, which makes it better than completely disabling the skip player button for tournaments.
Tournament integrity would rarely be affected because the skip is unanimous. The worst case is that players can use it to intentionally draw against remaining players, but these are 3+ player tournaments which are generally casual anyways.
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